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Re: Official Rules Change Proposal Thread 8 years, 4 months ago #18792

  • cbuzzetti
  • Endurance Racer
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Eric I agree the oil thing is a slippery slope and I hate adding rules. But it is easy to tech a dip stick. I would have never even considered this if I did not hear this from the E30 race director himself. He is going to try to make the engine temp min/max a national tule for E30 since from what he saw it had a profound effect. The driver of the car was quite adamant that he could heat soak the car because he knew what the result was going to be.
I dont think we have that level of ridiculousness in 944 but sure would like to keep it at bay.

I am opposed to the short shifter, and any mod that takes the shifter beyond stock. It works fine and opens loop holes that we dont need if approved.

Trans cooler is approved so what is the issue again?

It adds weight to the rear of the car, can possibly leak and I dont see any need for one where we race.
As was stated before most R & P will fail due to incorrect lash adjustment from150k miles of on road use and then being forced to go into race mode.

Hpe everyone had a great holidays!
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Re: Official Rules Change Proposal Thread 8 years, 3 months ago #18802

  • tcomeau
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The dipstick must match the pan type for accurate reading.

Who is Joe Blow? Could you put your name in your signature. I'm not ready to shoot the messenger but like to know who's who.

Changing the shifter from stock is plain silly and a waste of money making it a non-starter for rules changes. The stock shifter system , if in good repair, is fine. I have never missed a shift in any of my 944 cars. The shift lever is a softer metal (brass ?) than the black shifter rod going back to the tranny. It is designed to wear out before the shifter rod. Lever is cheap and easy to swap, the rod not so much. I don't mind the needle bearings on the lever cross shaft, as Ron Dale states. If you run a harder steel cross shaft on the lever, expect to be replacing your shifter rod soon. I do want to know who's running a short shifter with stock components, though. Email me at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
Lowering the car excessively will cause CV joints to wear out, yes. Also, If you install a tranny in a car with a dead right motor mount or a torque tube not aligned well at the clutch bell housing, or an engine crossmember that was pushed too much to either side, this will put more angle stress on the CV's. Remember that the engine, torque tube, and tranny are all nailed together as one piece. This all effects how the tranny hangs.
Tranny coolers have been legal for a while now though I have never used one in the SoCal heat.
Tim Comeau
SoCal 944 Spec #22 since Feb 2003.
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Re: Official Rules Change Proposal Thread 8 years, 3 months ago #18805

  • tcomeau
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Also, as previously stated, convex mirrors are inaccurate for distance reading. A small, bubble, stick on for the side mirrors creates the same problem of distance judging. You can tell a 944 is back there, but can't tell if it's 20 ft or 30ft back because the image is so distorted. Our entire car length is less that 14 ft. How do you know if it's safe to turn in?
Here comes a 911 Cup car with a 50 mph closing speed. You didn't see it during your last glance up because it was 200 meters back and just a speck in your convex mirror. Now it's on you just as you start to turn in.
Neither of these scenarios are a problem with the wide, multi section mirrors. I don't care what brand they are, though there may be some room for a sponsoring price reduction if one brand is selected as mandatory.
It's possible to install these mirrors upside down, which will be immediately evident because you'll get 5 separated images instead of one continuous, complete side to side view!
Whether it's the fish eye lens of a Go Pro camera or a convex mirror, we know not to fully trust the car to car distances. How many times have you heard, "Oh, I was farther up on him but the camera doesn't show it because of the wide angle."
We know a better, safer way. Even if it doesn't become a rule, I strongly suggest installing a wide view, distortion-free mirror. It's safer and will result in less contact forms.
Tim Comeau
SoCal 944 Spec #22 since Feb 2003.
Let's keep building it!

Re: Official Rules Change Proposal Thread 8 years, 3 months ago #18812

Good discussion this year guys. Many good points made, often on both sides of an issue. We have run out of time, and will now take this back to the series directors, and hash things out. If you have further thoughts on these things, lobby your series director, as he will have a direct say in the decision.

New proposals will have to wait until next year.
Eric Kuhns

National Director Emeritus

2007, & 2008 National Champion
2011, 2012 2nd

Re: Official Rules Change Proposal Thread 8 years, 3 months ago #18828

  • Robbie
  • Junior Racer
  • The dread pirate
  • Posts: 51
Absolutely against opening up shifters to heim joints. Buy new bushings and be done with it. Unneeded rules creep.
1987 924S #5 NASA RM

Re: Official Rules Change Proposal Thread 8 years, 3 months ago #18838

I have been busy fixing my wrecked car and have not been looking at the forum. In the future I suggest that the local series directors contact all their members when the thread first starts so they know that new rules are being discussed.

I would of like to have proposed that removal of the balance shaft belt be allowed to get low HP cars closer to the cap.
Jim Richmond
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